consciousness and lanecove
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Posted by pelastration on September 16, 2003 at 03:31:45:
Lanecove said:
In your own posts to this board (String and M Theory Duality XIV), I see
that you mostly use the term when referring to others' ideas (e.g. the
Buddha). When you have used the term , ( the vibrations of the lower
levels will become active and present themselves in the form of dreams
with individual subconsciousness " information knots" and also lower
archetypical "collective subconsciousness knots" ), you have used it in
the sense of 1a, 1b, 2, and maybe 3; but not in the sense of 1c, 4, or 5. So, in considering how to test your membrane causality ideas, we should
not accept data from studies of 'political correctness' (a form of social
awareness; 1c). Perhaps you could clarify the extent to which your ideas
include 'consciousness' in meaning 3? Lane: In terms of 'consciousness in physics', it would seem that:
1a and 1b ( 1 a : the quality or state of being aware especially of
something within
oneself b : the state or fact of being conscious of an external object,
state,
or fact ) are purely internal, so not accessible to being tested
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Dirk: these activities can be tested by EEG/Brainwaves but the stimulus
can give another value (signification).
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Lane: 1c ( AWARENESS; especially : concern for some social or political
cause ) is irrelevant (tho' Osher's posts sometimes make me wonder)
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Dirk: Awareness is to me more 1b. Awareness is more external oriented
or physical. Related to observed 'facts'.
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Lane: 2 ( the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition,
and
thought : MIND ) is firmly, if not all that helpfully, 'in'
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Dirk: tests are available (like bloodpressure, transpiration, heartbeat,
nervous reactions, eye-moves ...)
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Lane: 3 ( the totality of conscious states of an individual ) is also 'in',
though not easy to see how it could be tested.
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Dirk: In my approach everything is layered spacetime. Thus starting with
enfolded membrane, which acts as the gravity-effect. You understand
the concept. But essential to all is the 'total movement'. That generates
in all sub-set : local movement ... local dynamics. That brings all kinds
of local interactions. Life is therefor a self-organized system that keeps dynamical by the
various unbalances of the local sub-elements (which are gravitational
coupled to larger systems with which they act and interact).
But the total gravitational oscillations (universe) causes the continues
movement inside every living creature and ... all non-living elements.
The G-membrane friction creates in our body the basic thermodynamics
and the EM-impulses. Next to the basic TD and EM you have of course
also the local TD and EM resulting from local membrane interactions. To
visualize it very simply: see it as constant tearing of elastic bands or tiny
balloons which come never at rest except when an essential unbalance
come in balance. Then you have a cascade of decay ... life stops locally.
Therefor "Isolation" is so essential. Isolation (keeping unbalance) is one
of the basic conditions of life. Thus in a very complex local system like humans we see that a number
of conditions in evolutionary fine-tuning were generated over time.
Here the complex multi-layering is a second essential element because
it creates the condition of "learning". What we are today as humans are
real 'survivors' (Darwin's fittest), the homo sapiens living today have
each the basics of experience of fish, amphibia .... (remember the
different embryonal states starting with just one fertilize cell 'in-folding'
in interacting endoderm, mesoderm and ectoderm). Thus in our
collective 'memory' there is still today a lot of 'basic survival
information', and probably not just instincts. Also images, sounds, fear,
... stored in deeper membrane layers (deep information knots). DNA
plays here a role. That's is why I always remind on the importance of
'historical integrity'. Since everyone has a unique combination of DNA
everyone 'translates' this information in an unique way.
Collectivity: When we observe how many millions years ago the first
amoebas started to cooperate to survive in all kinds of aggressive
environments we understand how a new 'collective interest' showed up.
That collective interests created a kind of communication and
specialization inside the new entity. From these surviving entities fishes,
birds, etc. came. This communication system of internal interaction
and observation of the external dangers is inherent embedded in all of
living creatures. Additional the outer world provide conditions to live
(food, water, air, ...) and partners. Procreation may be basically a self-
dividing based on a type of risk-management (!).
Humans (with more then 150 billion cells) are holders of the most
complex brains-structure, but we can say that due the totality of
membrane inside the human body the total body is a complex memory
since everywhere there is DNA and we have also specialized zones (cfr.
liver, etc). We can be sure that there are hierarchic higher cells which
control others (cfr. Stemcells, special genes). Thus we have not only
brain-waves to control the body but also local almost independent parts
(like biology shows) which have kinds of local communication (and
isolation), but also inform the overviewing systems. Of course there is
much more to say, i.e. the various distributions systems, inside and
outside sensing systems, etc. I refer here to membrane causality of
communication (as in previous posts explained).
These overview systems make the final decisions. These decisions are
made analogue based on the combinations of values. These values come
from the combined states of the membrane-layers in the relevant space-
time unit. (a giant number of combinations). This is thus a kind of an
analogue threshold computer. Information inside the body can be given
by structural membrane oscillations, by chemical and electric
impulses(1,0). Our G-membrane approach makes the individual however
also gravitational connected with his surrounding and other participants. Since he is physically an isolated unit his multi-layered communication-
system acts as one collectivity. Consciousness is then the totality of
priority values which are considered by the collective evaluation system
to be relevant. Therefor consciousness is experienced as a continues
flow of various shifting values (: looking to a photo -> feel hungry ->
think about next meeting-> hear a fly -> feel pain in knee -> drink
water -> ).
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Lane:
4 ( the normal state of conscious life ) - also 'in', but perhaps not all that
helpful 5 ( the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as
contrasted
with unconscious processes ) is out, as there seems to be an implicit
consensus that 'consciousness' exists whether one is awake or asleep.
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Dirk: I am not sure about that. Dreaming is the release of tension in
brain-activity (which make deeper membrane knots more prominent)
and recuperation of physical processes. That's for now. Dirk
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